and -- have hurt mitt romney and yet there is an increasing industry growing up on the right to just deny this. and i'm not even sure like what the point of it is. i mean, maybe you're right, but then isn't it all just going to on election day be exposed as like -- i'm just fascinated by the growth of this industry, joe. >> well, one of the things that i see, and this is outside of politics because i write about economics so much, is i use charts a lot in my writing, you know, comparing public sector employment, private sector. i see the same thing all the time. this aggression against data or they're convinced that all data is manipulated darks at that is a lie. if i show that private sector employment has actually done relatively well under obama, relatively well compared to past recoveries and most of the job losses have been in the public sector, people think it's a lie. the debate ends because i can't, you know -- there's nowhere to go from there. they refuse to believe it. i see this happen -- so i see this happen all the time. i think what i thought when i saw the unskewed pol